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Firefox issues with Fedora 31?

Jeffrey Ross
After upgrading to Fedora 31 I've run into an issue with Firefox, I can
no longer detach a tab from the browser to put it into its own window. 
I can drag a tab to another open browser window or to another position
within the same browser window but I can not drag it to a new window by
itself.

If I right click on the tab I can choose move and then move to a new
window, that will work.

Ideas?

Thanks, Jeff
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Re: Firefox issues with Fedora 31?

Ed Greshko
On 2019-12-02 04:32, Jeffrey Ross wrote:
> After upgrading to Fedora 31 I've run into an issue with Firefox, I can no longer detach a tab from the browser to put it into its own window.  I can drag a tab to another open browser window or to another position within the same browser window but I can not drag it to a new window by itself.

No problem here.  F31/KDE.  If I drag the tab to an open area on the desktop there will be an icon with an X
through it, but it will result in the tab being by itself in a new window if I release it.  Meaning, the indication
is that it won't work, but it does.

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Re: Firefox issues with Fedora 31?

Jeffrey Ross
I now deleted ~/.mozilla and ~/.cache/mozilla and allowed firefox to
recreate the files/directories upon restart.

I've also noticed that not only can I not tear tabs off to a new window,
many dropdown menu boxes will not work.  This is not only on web pages
but from within the browser.

Is there any other configuration file (system config?) that is pulled in
at startup also?

Thanks, Jeff

On 12/1/19 4:53 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 2019-12-02 04:32, Jeffrey Ross wrote:
>> After upgrading to Fedora 31 I've run into an issue with Firefox, I can no longer detach a tab from the browser to put it into its own window.  I can drag a tab to another open browser window or to another position within the same browser window but I can not drag it to a new window by itself.
> No problem here.  F31/KDE.  If I drag the tab to an open area on the desktop there will be an icon with an X
> through it, but it will result in the tab being by itself in a new window if I release it.  Meaning, the indication
> is that it won't work, but it does.
>
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Re: Firefox issues with Fedora 31?

Ed Greshko
On 2019-12-02 06:36, Jeffrey Ross wrote:
> I now deleted ~/.mozilla and ~/.cache/mozilla and allowed firefox to recreate the files/directories upon restart.
>
> I've also noticed that not only can I not tear tabs off to a new window, many dropdown menu boxes will not work.  This is not only on web pages but from within the browser.
>
> Is there any other configuration file (system config?) that is pulled in at startup also?

Have you tried starting firefox from a terminal using --safe-mode to eliminate a possible
issue with an extension?


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Re: Firefox issues with Fedora 31?

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On 02.12.19 00:09, Ed Greshko wrote:

> On 2019-12-02 06:36, Jeffrey Ross wrote:
>> I now deleted ~/.mozilla and ~/.cache/mozilla and allowed firefox to recreate the files/directories upon restart.
>>
>> I've also noticed that not only can I not tear tabs off to a new window, many dropdown menu boxes will not work.  This is not only on web pages but from within the browser.
>>
>> Is there any other configuration file (system config?) that is pulled in at startup also?
>
> Have you tried starting firefox from a terminal using --safe-mode to eliminate a possible
> issue with an extension?
>
>

he dropped the diretory ~/.mozilla where extensions are in

at least on my system, where no extensions are installed via rpm
packages. Maybe there it looks different.


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Re: Firefox issues with Fedora 31?

Ed Greshko
On 2019-12-02 07:17, sixpack13 wrote:

> On 02.12.19 00:09, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 2019-12-02 06:36, Jeffrey Ross wrote:
>>> I now deleted ~/.mozilla and ~/.cache/mozilla and allowed firefox to recreate the files/directories upon restart.
>>>
>>> I've also noticed that not only can I not tear tabs off to a new window, many dropdown menu boxes will not work.  This is not only on web pages but from within the browser.
>>>
>>> Is there any other configuration file (system config?) that is pulled in at startup also?
>>
>> Have you tried starting firefox from a terminal using --safe-mode to eliminate a possible
>> issue with an extension?
>>
>>
>
> he dropped the diretory ~/.mozilla where extensions are in
>
> at least on my system, where no extensions are installed via rpm packages. Maybe there it looks different.
>
>

Good point.

The only exception may be that the OP has a FF account and that it acts like having a Chrome account
where your bookmarks and extensions are restored when you start with a clean system and login.

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Re: Firefox issues with Fedora 31?

Jeffrey Ross
I tried safemode, and was still unable to detach tabs.

I also found something interesting, from the "about:preferences" page
when I first start the web browser I can select the drop down menus, eg,
default fonts, size etc, however once I attempt to detach a tab the
dropdown tabs no longer work.

I guess the next question is, could there be some sort of browser
interaction with Gnome that isn't working right?

Jeff

On 12/1/19 6:35 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

> On 2019-12-02 07:17, sixpack13 wrote:
>> On 02.12.19 00:09, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>> On 2019-12-02 06:36, Jeffrey Ross wrote:
>>>> I now deleted ~/.mozilla and ~/.cache/mozilla and allowed firefox to recreate the files/directories upon restart.
>>>>
>>>> I've also noticed that not only can I not tear tabs off to a new window, many dropdown menu boxes will not work.  This is not only on web pages but from within the browser.
>>>>
>>>> Is there any other configuration file (system config?) that is pulled in at startup also?
>>> Have you tried starting firefox from a terminal using --safe-mode to eliminate a possible
>>> issue with an extension?
>>>
>>>
>> he dropped the diretory ~/.mozilla where extensions are in
>>
>> at least on my system, where no extensions are installed via rpm packages. Maybe there it looks different.
>>
>>
> Good point.
>
> The only exception may be that the OP has a FF account and that it acts like having a Chrome account
> where your bookmarks and extensions are restored when you start with a clean system and login.
>
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Re: Firefox issues with Fedora 31?

Kevin Becker
I just upgraded my main machine to Fedora 31 this weekend and have the same tab issue. I'm using Gnome. I don't seem to have any trouble with drop down menus though. My laptop has been running Fedora 31 since it was released but I rarely detach tabs there so I can't say if it is working (it's not handy to test at the moment).


On Sun, 2019-12-01 at 18:52 -0500, Jeffrey Ross wrote:
I tried safemode, and was still unable to detach tabs.

I also found something interesting, from the "about:preferences" page 
when I first start the web browser I can select the drop down menus, eg, 
default fonts, size etc, however once I attempt to detach a tab the 
dropdown tabs no longer work.

I guess the next question is, could there be some sort of browser 
interaction with Gnome that isn't working right?

Jeff

On 12/1/19 6:35 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 2019-12-02 07:17, sixpack13 wrote:
On 02.12.19 00:09, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 2019-12-02 06:36, Jeffrey Ross wrote:
I now deleted ~/.mozilla and ~/.cache/mozilla and allowed firefox to recreate the files/directories upon restart.

I've also noticed that not only can I not tear tabs off to a new window, many dropdown menu boxes will not work.  This is not only on web pages but from within the browser.

Is there any other configuration file (system config?) that is pulled in at startup also?
Have you tried starting firefox from a terminal using --safe-mode to eliminate a possible
issue with an extension?


he dropped the diretory ~/.mozilla where extensions are in

at least on my system, where no extensions are installed via rpm packages. Maybe there it looks different.


Good point.

The only exception may be that the OP has a FF account and that it acts like having a Chrome account
where your bookmarks and extensions are restored when you start with a clean system and login.

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Re: Firefox issues with Fedora 31?

Ed Greshko
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On 2019-12-02 07:52, Jeffrey Ross wrote:
> I tried safemode, and was still unable to detach tabs.
>
> I also found something interesting, from the "about:preferences" page when I first start the web browser I can select the drop down menus, eg, default fonts, size etc, however once I attempt to detach a tab the dropdown tabs no longer work.
>
> I guess the next question is, could there be some sort of browser interaction with Gnome that isn't working right?

OK, GNOME.  I should have asked.  I'm not a GNOME user.

But, I have found the tab issue does not exist if you use GNOME-Xorg.  Default is GNOME-Wayland.

I don't know if this can be fixed.

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Re: Firefox issues with Fedora 31?

Ed Greshko
On 2019-12-02 08:16, Ed Greshko wrote:

> On 2019-12-02 07:52, Jeffrey Ross wrote:
>> I tried safemode, and was still unable to detach tabs.
>>
>> I also found something interesting, from the "about:preferences" page when I first start the web browser I can select the drop down menus, eg, default fonts, size etc, however once I attempt to detach a tab the dropdown tabs no longer work.
>>
>> I guess the next question is, could there be some sort of browser interaction with Gnome that isn't working right?
> OK, GNOME.  I should have asked.  I'm not a GNOME user.
>
> But, I have found the tab issue does not exist if you use GNOME-Xorg.  Default is GNOME-Wayland.
>
> I don't know if this can be fixed.
>

If you want to run GNOME in wayland you can start FF from the terminal to test using

MOZ_DISABLE_WAYLAND=1 firefox



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Re: Firefox issues with Fedora 31?

Jeffrey Ross


On 12/1/19 7:28 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> MOZ_DISABLE_WAYLAND=1 firefox
This test allowed Firefox to work properly, I have detachable tabs and
the dropdowns working again.  So now we think we know what is causing
the problem, the question now is how to fix it?

In my case I've simply chosen the default Gnome installation and I have
never looked into differences between GNOME-wayland or GNOME-Xorg.  If
it matters this machine has been upgraded from previous versions of
Fedora, starting from 25 to 31 without skipping any interim versions.

Thanks, Jeff
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Re: Firefox issues with Fedora 31?

Ed Greshko
On 2019-12-02 10:01, Jeffrey Ross wrote:
>
>
> On 12/1/19 7:28 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> MOZ_DISABLE_WAYLAND=1 firefox
> This test allowed Firefox to work properly, I have detachable tabs and the dropdowns working again.  So now we think we know what is causing the problem, the question now is how to fix it?

Well, the behavior of the tabs is expected in FF and wayland.  I've not see any issues with dropdowns.

>
> In my case I've simply chosen the default Gnome installation and I have never looked into differences between GNOME-wayland or GNOME-Xorg.  If it matters this machine has been upgraded from previous versions of Fedora, starting from 25 to 31 without skipping any interim versions.
>

What matters is that Wayland became the default as of F31.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Firefox_Wayland_By_Default_On_Gnome

A workaround for the issues would be one of the following....

1.  Change to running GNOME on Xorg at login
2.  Continue to run GNOME (wayland) but add "export MOZ_DISABLE_WAYLAND=1" to your .bashrc
     (logout/login needed to take affect)

FWIW, I'm not well versed in the ins/outs of Wayland.


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Re: Firefox issues with Fedora 31?

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On 02.12.19 00:35, Ed Greshko wrote:
...

>>
>> he dropped the diretory ~/.mozilla where extensions are in
>>
>> at least on my system, where no extensions are installed via rpm packages. Maybe there it looks different.
>>
>>
>
> Good point.
>
> The only exception may be that the OP has a FF account and that it acts like having a Chrome account
> where your bookmarks and extensions are restored when you start with a clean system and login.
>

didn't know that.
something learned.
THX !

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Re: Firefox issues with Fedora 31?

George N. White III
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On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 16:33, Jeffrey Ross <[hidden email]> wrote:
After upgrading to Fedora 31 I've run into an issue with Firefox, I can
no longer detach a tab from the browser to put it into its own window. 
I can drag a tab to another open browser window or to another position
within the same browser window but I can not drag it to a new window by
itself.

If I right click on the tab I can choose move and then move to a new
window, that will work.

Ideas?


Relevant comment:

This seems to be a GTK bug in Wayland implementation [1]:
When there's no consumer of the data the Xorg GTK implementation returns GDK_DRAG_CANCEL_NO_TARGET while Wayland GDK_DRAG_CANCEL_ERROR. Firefox got this as user cancelled the dnd action [2] so it won't move the tab to the new window [3].

Currently I'm trying to figure out with the GTK guys.

[1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/issues/2101
[2] https://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/rev/3366c3d24f1c3818df37ec0818833bf085e41a53/widget/gtk/nsDragService.cpp#1308
[3] https://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/rev/3366c3d24f1c3818df37ec0818833bf085e41a53/browser/base/content/tabbrowser-tabs.js#806

Also:

Fedora 31 was late to the party.  Would have been nice if this was mentioned in firefox release notes.


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Re: Firefox issues with Fedora 31?

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On 2019-12-01 15:32, Jeffrey Ross wrote:

> After upgrading to Fedora 31 I've run into an issue with Firefox, I
> can no longer detach a tab from the browser to put it into its own
> window.  I can drag a tab to another open browser window or to another
> position within the same browser window but I can not drag it to a new
> window by itself.
>
> If I right click on the tab I can choose move and then move to a new
> window, that will work.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks, Jeff


Ok, I'm back in business, I adjusted my .bashrc with the environment
variable:

            MOZ_DISABLE_WAYLAND=1 firefox

for now that appears to solve my problem and I can stay with the
maintainers "default desktop" at least for now.

Jeff
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Re: Firefox issues with Fedora 31?

Barry Scott
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> On 2 Dec 2019, at 02:25, Ed Greshko <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On 2019-12-02 10:01, Jeffrey Ross wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 12/1/19 7:28 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>> MOZ_DISABLE_WAYLAND=1 firefox
>> This test allowed Firefox to work properly, I have detachable tabs and the dropdowns working again.  So now we think we know what is causing the problem, the question now is how to fix it?
>
> Well, the behavior of the tabs is expected in FF and wayland.  I've not see any issues with dropdowns.
>
>>
>> In my case I've simply chosen the default Gnome installation and I have never looked into differences between GNOME-wayland or GNOME-Xorg.  If it matters this machine has been upgraded from previous versions of Fedora, starting from 25 to 31 without skipping any interim versions.
>>
>
> What matters is that Wayland became the default as of F31.
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Firefox_Wayland_By_Default_On_Gnome
>
> A workaround for the issues would be one of the following....
>
> 1.  Change to running GNOME on Xorg at login
> 2.  Continue to run GNOME (wayland) but add "export MOZ_DISABLE_WAYLAND=1" to your .bashrc
>      (logout/login needed to take affect)

I put this sort of thing in .bash_profile so it is only done once at login and that works for KDE, does that not work for Gnome?

Barry

>
> FWIW, I'm not well versed in the ins/outs of Wayland.
>
>
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