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Russel Winder
Hi,

I have just done the 3GB update on my machines. Now I find that laptops
and workstations go into suspend mode without being told to. For me
this is not what I want. I am assuming the recent big update has
included a change of setting somewhere. I am not sure where to find
this. Can anyone tell me?

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Re: Change in latest update – suspending

Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2018-02-22 at 08:39 +0000, Russel Winder wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have just done the 3GB update on my machines. Now I find that laptops
> and workstations go into suspend mode without being told to. For me
> this is not what I want. I am assuming the recent big update has
> included a change of setting somewhere. I am not sure where to find
> this. Can anyone tell me?

It's a GNOME change to comply with EU regulations, believe it or not:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=681869
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=792890

It should be configurable in the Power panel of the control center.
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Re: Change in latest update – suspending

Russel Winder
Adam,

Thanks for the quick answer, much appreciated. I may get grumpy on this
one, hopefully no-one takes offence.

On Thu, 2018-02-22 at 02:25 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:

> On Thu, 2018-02-22 at 08:39 +0000, Russel Winder wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have just done the 3GB update on my machines. Now I find that
> > laptops
> > and workstations go into suspend mode without being told to. For me
> > this is not what I want. I am assuming the recent big update has
> > included a change of setting somewhere. I am not sure where to find
> > this. Can anyone tell me?
>
> It's a GNOME change to comply with EU regulations, believe it or not:
>
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=681869
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=792890
OK it seems an interpretation of an EU regulation has finally convinced
me BrExit might actually have an upside. :-(

I think GNOME developers should also read 7.b.3.b:

Equipment shall, unless inappropriate for the intended use, offer a
power management function or a similar function.

GNOME can certainly count in the inappropriate for the intended use
category.

In any event this should be an easily opt out of.

> It should be configurable in the Power panel of the control center.

Do you know if there is there a way of setting it without logging in to
the console device? GNOME will hopefully not then reset a value it has
no right to set without consent.

My set up has a server, one workstation/server, and three laptops all
up and working. I am only logged into one. Now the workstation/server
(which should never stop as it has a server role) and two laptops
spontaneously suspend, which f#### everything up. :-(  

I guess I am going to have a problem with my server which actually has
GNOME installed for various reasons.

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Re: Change in latest update – suspending

Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2018-02-22 at 11:17 +0000, Russel Winder wrote:
>
> > It should be configurable in the Power panel of the control center.
>
> Do you know if there is there a way of setting it without logging in to
> the console device? GNOME will hopefully not then reset a value it has
> no right to set without consent.

Anything settable in control-center is likely backed with a dconf key
you could set.

> My set up has a server, one workstation/server, and three laptops all
> up and working. I am only logged into one. Now the workstation/server
> (which should never stop as it has a server role) and two laptops
> spontaneously suspend, which f#### everything up. :-(  
>
> I guess I am going to have a problem with my server which actually has
> GNOME installed for various reasons.

I'd think this would only take effect if a GNOME session is actually
*running*. Though GDM might count.
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Re: Change in latest update – suspending

Russel Winder
On Thu, 2018-02-22 at 04:04 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> […]
>
> Anything settable in control-center is likely backed with a dconf key
> you could set.

True. Finding the path to the key is not always obvious though. I am
guessing that in this case org.gnome.session-daemon may be the place.

> > […]
>
> I'd think this would only take effect if a GNOME session is actually
> *running*. Though GDM might count.

I think GDM does indeed count since it and GnomeShell appear to be
tightly coupled.

Sadly gnome-control-centre fails to work over an SSH link with Wayland
:-(

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Re: Change in latest update – suspending

Ahmad Samir
On 22 February 2018 at 14:58, Russel Winder <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2018-02-22 at 04:04 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> […]
>>
>> Anything settable in control-center is likely backed with a dconf key
>> you could set.
>
> True. Finding the path to the key is not always obvious though. I am
> guessing that in this case org.gnome.session-daemon may be the place.
>

$ gsettings list-keys org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power

(I usually find that grep'ing in '/usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/' is
sort of faster/easier).

[....]

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Re: Change in latest update – suspending

Michal Jaegermann-2
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 04:00:44PM +0200, Ahmad Samir wrote:

> On 22 February 2018 at 14:58, Russel Winder <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2018-02-22 at 04:04 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >> […]
> >>
> >> Anything settable in control-center is likely backed with a dconf key
> >> you could set.
> >
> > True. Finding the path to the key is not always obvious though. I am
> > guessing that in this case org.gnome.session-daemon may be the place.
> >
>
> $ gsettings list-keys org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power
>
> (I usually find that grep'ing in '/usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/' is
> sort of faster/easier).

This still leaves a question how you are going to modify that for
gdm on a machine of a type "server - most of the time"? If I understood
Russel correctly such setup is hugely affected.

   Michal
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Re: Change in latest update – suspending

Ahmad Samir
On 22 February 2018 at 18:39, Michal Jaegermann <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 04:00:44PM +0200, Ahmad Samir wrote:
>> On 22 February 2018 at 14:58, Russel Winder <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > On Thu, 2018-02-22 at 04:04 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> >> […]
>> >>
>> >> Anything settable in control-center is likely backed with a dconf key
>> >> you could set.
>> >
>> > True. Finding the path to the key is not always obvious though. I am
>> > guessing that in this case org.gnome.session-daemon may be the place.
>> >
>>
>> $ gsettings list-keys org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power
>>
>> (I usually find that grep'ing in '/usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/' is
>> sort of faster/easier).
>
> This still leaves a question how you are going to modify that for
> gdm on a machine of a type "server - most of the time"? If I understood
> Russel correctly such setup is hugely affected.
>
>    Michal

I missed that part, sorry. One (hackish) way would be to create a new
user account, modify only those gsettings keys then copy
~/.config/dconf/user to (the gdm user home dir[1])
/var/lib/gdm/.config/ and of course make the file owned by gdm.

I haven't tested that method though; but IIRC, one way to get gdm to
use custom multiple monitor settings was to copy
~/.config/monitors.xml (created by the display module of
gnome-control-center) from your regular user account to
/var/lib/gdm/.config/ .

I hope that helps.

[1] which I could see/guess in /etc/passwd.

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Re: Change in latest update – suspending

Adam Williamson
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On Thu, 2018-02-22 at 09:39 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 04:00:44PM +0200, Ahmad Samir wrote:
> > On 22 February 2018 at 14:58, Russel Winder <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2018-02-22 at 04:04 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > > […]
> > > >
> > > > Anything settable in control-center is likely backed with a dconf key
> > > > you could set.
> > >
> > > True. Finding the path to the key is not always obvious though. I am
> > > guessing that in this case org.gnome.session-daemon may be the place.
> > >
> >
> > $ gsettings list-keys org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power
> >
> > (I usually find that grep'ing in '/usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/' is
> > sort of faster/easier).
>
> This still leaves a question how you are going to modify that for
> gdm on a machine of a type "server - most of the time"? If I understood
> Russel correctly such setup is hugely affected.

Doing dconf configuration for gdm is a relatively common 'gotcha' as
there are various cases where people need it for one reason or another.
The Alternative Fedora Wiki has some good tips:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GDM#DConf_configuration
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Re: Change in latest update – suspending

Russel Winder
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Hi,

Back after a period away.

On Thu, 2018-02-22 at 09:39 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
[…]
>
> This still leaves a question how you are going to modify that for
> gdm on a machine of a type "server - most of the time"? If I understood
> Russel correctly such setup is hugely affected.

It seems that if you login on the console (SSH over Ethernet is not enough)
then the GNOME settings are activated and suspend only happens on battery –
this is the situation I need ad have set. However, without login Fedora
Rawhide suspends after a short period, Debian id does not. I need to have
computers powered up and not logged in on the console, I login over SSH.
Debian gives me this Fedora does not.

I am guessing default GDM suspend settings are different in Debian and Fedora.
Debian works as I want to, Fedora does not. Of course, this may just be my
problem.

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Re: Change in latest update – suspending

Russel Winder
On Sat, 2018-03-17 at 12:09 +0000, Russel Winder wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Back after a period away.
>
> On Thu, 2018-02-22 at 09:39 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> […]
> >
> > This still leaves a question how you are going to modify that for
> > gdm on a machine of a type "server - most of the time"? If I understood
> > Russel correctly such setup is hugely affected.
>
> It seems that if you login on the console (SSH over Ethernet is not enough)
> then the GNOME settings are activated and suspend only happens on battery –
> this is the situation I need ad have set. However, without login Fedora
> Rawhide suspends after a short period, Debian id does not. I need to have
> computers powered up and not logged in on the console, I login over SSH.
> Debian gives me this Fedora does not.
>
> I am guessing default GDM suspend settings are different in Debian and
> Fedora.
> Debian works as I want to, Fedora does not. Of course, this may just be my
> problem.

OK so Debian Sid has now fully updated GNOME and it behaves the same as Fedora
Rawhide. If you are not logged in  on the console, GDM suspends the computer
after a few minutes. GNOME has just ruined my life.

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Re: Change in latest update – suspending

Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2018-03-18 at 12:32 +0000, Russel Winder wrote:

> On Sat, 2018-03-17 at 12:09 +0000, Russel Winder wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Back after a period away.
> >
> > On Thu, 2018-02-22 at 09:39 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> > […]
> > >
> > > This still leaves a question how you are going to modify that for
> > > gdm on a machine of a type "server - most of the time"? If I understood
> > > Russel correctly such setup is hugely affected.
> >
> > It seems that if you login on the console (SSH over Ethernet is not enough)
> > then the GNOME settings are activated and suspend only happens on battery –
> > this is the situation I need ad have set. However, without login Fedora
> > Rawhide suspends after a short period, Debian id does not. I need to have
> > computers powered up and not logged in on the console, I login over SSH.
> > Debian gives me this Fedora does not.
> >
> > I am guessing default GDM suspend settings are different in Debian and
> > Fedora.
> > Debian works as I want to, Fedora does not. Of course, this may just be my
> > problem.
>
>
> OK so Debian Sid has now fully updated GNOME and it behaves the same as Fedora
> Rawhide. If you are not logged in  on the console, GDM suspends the computer
> after a few minutes. GNOME has just ruined my life.

Glad to know you're being reasonable and proportional in response to a
default configuration change!

You can configure this in the Control Center. Settings / Power /
Automatic suspend: turn it "off". Now you're done.
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Re: Change in latest update – suspending

Kamil Paral
On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 5:16 PM, Adam Williamson <[hidden email]> wrote:
> OK so Debian Sid has now fully updated GNOME and it behaves the same as Fedora
> Rawhide. If you are not logged in  on the console, GDM suspends the computer
> after a few minutes. GNOME has just ruined my life.

Glad to know you're being reasonable and proportional in response to a
default configuration change!

You can configure this in the Control Center. Settings / Power /
Automatic suspend: turn it "off". Now you're done.

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Russel Winder
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On Mon, 2018-03-19 at 09:16 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
[…]
> Glad to know you're being reasonable and proportional in response to
> a
> default configuration change!

On the one hand :-), on the other hand: the current situation means I
have to login to all the computers from the console so as to stop the
automatic suspend. This means I cannot do any non-local reboots.

> You can configure this in the Control Center. Settings / Power /
> Automatic suspend: turn it "off". Now you're done.

No I am not, I'm afraid. I have that set already on all my computers;
these settings only apply once you are logged in to the console.

The problem remains, there must be a GNOMEShell/GDM setting separate
from the user  power setting that applies after a reboot but before a
login. The question is how to change this altered configuration setting
that is nothing to do with the user.

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Re: Change in latest update – suspending

Russel Winder
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On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 13:54 +0100, Kamil Paral wrote:
>
[…]
> Nope:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1558485

Exactly, thanks for posting the bug report.

Extremely angry is a bit of an understatement!

I do hope the GNOME people accept this as a problem and provide a way
of switching this suspend behaviour off.

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Re: Change in latest update – suspending

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...
> You can configure this in the Control Center. Settings / Power /
> Automatic suspend: turn it "off". Now you're done.

beside Kamil's bug, isn't GNOME moving to Wayland?

how to configure that when I was unable to run g-c-c over ssh? -

...
                           DISTRO=Fedora-Rawhide-20180319.n.0
                     ARCHITECTURE=x86_64
...
[root@sweetpig-15 ~]# echo $DISPLAY
localhost:10.0
[root@sweetpig-15 ~]# gnome-control-center

(process:5949): Gtk-WARNING **: 09:40:32.291: Locale not supported by C
library.
        Using the fallback 'C' locale.

(gnome-control-center:5949): Clutter-WARNING **: 09:40:43.725: Locale not
supported by C library.
Using the fallback 'C' locale.
libGL error: unable to load driver: swrast_dri.so
libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast

(gnome-control-center:5949): Gdk-ERROR **: 09:40:54.025: The program
'gnome-control-center' received an X Window System error.
This probably reflects a bug in the program.
The error was 'GLXBadContext'.
  (Details: serial 208 error_code 167 request_code 154 (GLX) minor_code 6)
  (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
   that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
   To debug your program, run it with the GDK_SYNCHRONIZE environment
   variable to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
   backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error()
function.)
Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped)


... is that even worth reporting?
(should I try to run abrt on that machine?)

K.

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Adam Williamson
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On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 13:48 +0000, Russel Winder wrote:

> On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 13:54 +0100, Kamil Paral wrote:
> >
>
> […]
> > Nope:
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1558485
>
> Exactly, thanks for posting the bug report.
>
> Extremely angry is a bit of an understatement!
>
> I do hope the GNOME people accept this as a problem and provide a way
> of switching this suspend behaviour off.

Technically there is a way: you just have to figure out how to change
the setting for the 'gdm' user. The Alternative Fedora Wiki has
something on this:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GDM#DConf_configuration

I think I've done it by running gsettings as 'gdm' before, though it's
a bit of a pain as the account is set up by default such that you can't
really switch to it. I think I either hacked up the account definition
temporarily, or wrote a script that made the changes and ran the script
with 'runuser'.
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Adam Williamson
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On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 14:49 +0100, Karel Volný wrote:
> ...
> > You can configure this in the Control Center. Settings / Power /
> > Automatic suspend: turn it "off". Now you're done.
>
> beside Kamil's bug, isn't GNOME moving to Wayland?
>
> how to configure that when I was unable to run g-c-c over ssh? -

Use 'gsettings'.
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Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 12:31 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:

> On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 14:49 +0100, Karel Volný wrote:
> > ...
> > > You can configure this in the Control Center. Settings / Power /
> > > Automatic suspend: turn it "off". Now you're done.
> >
> > beside Kamil's bug, isn't GNOME moving to Wayland?
> >
> > how to configure that when I was unable to run g-c-c over ssh? -
>
> Use 'gsettings'.

Oh, but do it as the user that actually runs GNOME, not as root.
Running 'gsettings' as root will set the configuration for root, which
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Re: Change in latest update – suspending

Louis Lagendijk-2
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On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 12:31 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:

> On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 13:48 +0000, Russel Winder wrote:
> > On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 13:54 +0100, Kamil Paral wrote:
> > >
> >
> > […]
> > > Nope:
> > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1558485
> >
> > Exactly, thanks for posting the bug report.
> >
> > Extremely angry is a bit of an understatement!
> >
> > I do hope the GNOME people accept this as a problem and provide a
> > way
> > of switching this suspend behaviour off.
>
> Technically there is a way: you just have to figure out how to change
> the setting for the 'gdm' user. The Alternative Fedora Wiki has
> something on this:
>
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GDM#DConf_configuration
>
> I think I've done it by running gsettings as 'gdm' before, though
> it's
> a bit of a pain as the account is set up by default such that you
> can't
> really switch to it. I think I either hacked up the account
> definition
> temporarily, or wrote a script that made the changes and ran the
> script
> with 'runuser'.
> --
It may be posible to do the following from root:
su - gdm -s /bin/bash

to change to user gdm and still get a shell?
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